DERIVING BENEFITS FROM THIS THREAD
The following discussion is reproduced from the thread Dispelling Ignorance and Untruths: A Case Study of Baguamonk's Posts started in the Shaolin Wahnam Discussion Forum on 25th September 2006.
The main aim of this thread is to dispel ignorance and untruths as revealed in Baguamonk1's posts, as part of our on-going effort to present quality information in our forum.Sifu Jordan Francis
Sifu Jordan Francis
Instructor, Shaolin Wahnam England
17th October 2006
This is my concluding post for this thread, unless Baguamonk1 or other persons post untrue statements after this, which require clarification.
The main aim of this thread is to dispel ignorance and untruths as revealed in Baguamonk1's posts, as part of our on-going effort to present quality information in our forum. Two of Baguamonk1's posts were chosen for this purpose, and they are Post 51, Can a disciple surpass his sifu? and Post 47 of this thread.
The first post was chosen because I was appalled not only at its ignorance and untruths but also at the authoritative manner Baguamonk1 presented these ignorant and untrue statements, as if they were facts. When his mistakes were pointed out, Baguamonk1 had the habit of saying others had put words into his mouth or he was quoted out of context. The first chosen post is excellent evidence to prove him wrong. Baguamonk1's own words were quoted in full and in the exact order they appear in his post.
Shocking as it may be, Baguamonk1 again said that we put words into his mouth or he was quoted out of context. I reckon Baguamonk1 had nothing better to say than these poor excuses. Hence I wrote another series of posts to show the ignorance and untruths of Baguamonk1's second post. As in his first post, not a single one of Baguamonk1's own words in the second post had been left out or was quoted out of order.
While the material for my posts were supplied by Baguamonk1's ignorance and untruths, my posts were not written for Baguamonk1 alone, though he would probably be the one who could benefit the most from them. The posts are meant for Shaolin Wahnam students as well as other forum members who may want to benefit from this debate.
What benefits can we derive from this debate? There are four main benefits:
- Be able to tell untruths even when they are presented like authoritative statements.
- Have a better understanding of Chinese martial art philosophy.
- Be inspired that the practical benefits of Chinese martial arts that were mentioned in classics, but thought to be lost by many people, are still available today though rare.
- Enjoy some exercise and hopefully improve in mental clarity.
In many ways, the fourth benefit may be the most significant, even for serious martial artists. Having internal force and combat efficiency in Chinese martial arts are of course desirable, but it is having mental clarity that is perhaps the most beneficial in our everyday life.
Practicing genuine internal arts is an excellent way to develop mental clarity. But for those who may not have this opportunity, going over how Baguamonk1's statements, which he thought were true but were shown to be untrue, may provide some exercise in this direction.
One encouraging development is that towards the later part of this debate, Baguamonk1 seemed to have realised his earlier mistakes, though he did not admit it and has changed his views. Some examples can be found in my previous post.
Nonetheless, I would like to thank Baguamonk1 for providing this opportunity for me to crystallize my thoughts on these issues and practice presenting them in a clear, coherent manner. I wish Baguamonk1 success in whatever path he chooses to follow.
Many thanks to all of you who contributed to this thread.
Shaolin Wahnam England
Dispelling Ignorance and Untruths: A Case Study of Baguamonk1's Posts
- Part 1: Bruce Lee and Chinese Martial Arts
- Part 2: Ignorance Concerning Internal Force and Combat Application
- Part 3: Are Stances Important, and Is Chi an Out-Dated Term?
- Part 4: Duty to Point Out Mis-Information for Benefit of Students
- Part 5: Chinese Martial Arts and Spiritual Cultivation
- Part 6: Stance Training and Mental Clarity
- Part 7: A Lesson on Mental Clarity and Coherent Presentation
- Part 8: Principles and Practice, Insight and Integrity
- Part 9: Restoring the Former Glory of Kungfu
- Part 10: Chi is Real
- Part 11: Modernized Wushu is Different from Traditional Kungfu
- Part 12: Don't Throw away your Legacy
- Part 13: How Mental Clarity Can Benefit Us
- Part 14: Deriving Benefits from this Thread